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What’s wrong with Peat Moss you ask? (off grid gardening)

November 4, 2019


So I’ve been reading a lot lately Which is kind of normal for me actually, I read all the time. but I’ve been reading these gardening books and I’m constantly coming across the idea buy peat moss, peat moss, peat moss, peat moss And then mix it with vermiculite and heres the problem Peat moss is a non-renewable resource theres just nothing else you can really say about it except it is non-renewable We clear cut a bog which is a swamp (aka wetland) we evict all the animals from that area and take the amazing 1000 year old soil thats in these bogs and we strip it out and we take it to our gardens But in the mean time its non renewable! It took 1000 years to make and all that animals are evicted and its just all around wrong.

56 Comments

  • Reply Love2boat92 August 21, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    Good point. Sounds like you did good on that compost haul. I never knew you are in Europe? Great video!!

  • Reply Holly's Folly - A Garden August 21, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    Compost and Peat are two completely different things, and have different uses.  Like comparing oranges and bowling balls.  Peat is considered nutrient free, while compost should be packed with nutrients.   If you want a peat replacement, try coir (coconut byproduct), redwood peat (redwood byproduct) or pittpeat (introduced on Shark Tank, a paper peat).

  • Reply Happy Gardener August 21, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    I wish i could get it for that price, never seen anything even close to that price for the amount you got, so good going 🙂

  • Reply Darkfalz August 21, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    I'm using coco-peat in all my pots now. It says it lasts 2 years or something – I wonder, what does it "break down" to? Just to base elements like other organic matter? Peat really depends on your locations – in many places the peat, even though it may take thousands of years to form, is still forming faster than it is being harvested. But I prefer coco-peat (ie. coir) but I'm not using it in my beds yet.

  • Reply The Northwest Forager August 22, 2015 at 12:50 am

    Is that going to be your new garden there at the end when the camera looked over? If so that will be one impressive space once you get it all planted up!  😀

  • Reply goforgreenliving August 22, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Living on a working homestead all organic matter is composted it's just as important as starting new seeds nice talk thanks

  • Reply LCJ farms August 23, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    what do you think about using coco coir instead of peat moss

  • Reply The Abled Gardener August 25, 2015 at 8:13 am

    I love composting and have been doing it most of my life, I can't imagine throwing any usable waste in the garbage can and sending it to the landfill, but everyone does something different I guess depending on how they were raised. Great video Scarlett

  • Reply ZayLegrant September 4, 2015 at 3:05 am

    Nice Video! It's cool to see another youtuber with the same interest!

  • Reply Earl Grey September 8, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    I think there's a problem with coconut husk as well. coconut plantations are deforesting thousands of acres to feed our obsession with coconut water. I do use both, but I try to be very mindful and use it sparingly.

  • Reply Ian Albaladejo September 12, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    I see my neighbor throwing away his yard waste in bags and I collected them all so that they don't go in the landfill

  • Reply Ian Albaladejo September 13, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    I am so glad u told me this a almost used peat moss

  • Reply Ian Albaladejo September 14, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    thank you and can't wait for that episode

  • Reply lovers4healthylife September 22, 2015 at 12:29 am

    Great video! 🙂

  • Reply WombatHide September 23, 2015 at 4:48 am

    you can grow your own sphagnum moss and make peat moss substitute that's what i do +

  • Reply Cathy 111363 September 29, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    I'm a composter

  • Reply Cathy 111363 September 29, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    Compost is the best stuff on earth

  • Reply The Tin Can Gardener October 12, 2015 at 9:18 pm

    I compost as much as possible, living in south Florida most of ground is sand therefore i have to use alotta compost to put nutrients in my garden beds
    great video !

  • Reply TexarkanaPrepper October 30, 2015 at 3:21 am

    Good video! Where are you originally from?

  • Reply MC ME November 24, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    Great vid!!!!

  • Reply heavymechanic2 December 2, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    Last year I used bagged products from the builder center and improved poor clay soil (previously grass) into an amazing garden. Commercially available garden amendments are costly to use in any quantity. I agree with you that some people are filling the landfill with unnecessary waste and simply don't care about recycling.

  • Reply JAG sixtyfive December 16, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    Had to get rid of my compost heap in my garden because all that was coming out of it was mice, and those same mice were then getting into my Polytunnel and nesting in my heat benches. Not good. So, as I said, the compost heap had to go, sadly. Jay

  • Reply Polite Media January 9, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    I think peat moss or coconut coir is a must for those who live in deserts or really hot summers. For the rest of us it's probably not worth the money.

  • Reply Anthony Collins January 17, 2016 at 8:16 am

    Dear Scarlett,After watching your video on the disadvantage of using peat moss in gardening, I will no longer buy peat moss in any amount.  I want to do everything I can to take care of our green planet Earth.Anthony B. Collins

  • Reply SuperSaltydog77 January 31, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    I do agree with you on the use of peat moss. It is not renewable and should be used only extremely sparingly if at all. A good alternative would be sawdust. Our local home centers produce lots of it and hopefully can be convinced to sell it instead of throwing it away. Leaves are another good choice if you can get them. Some times fall is so wet with rain that getting leaves are a big hassle and nearly impossible to till into the soil when the garden is sopping wet. Some of your neighbors might not have any use of or anywhere to put kitchen waste and their local government does not collect it. You might offer to take it off their hands for them to encourage their recycling efforts

  • Reply Joseph Lynn March 19, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    You could not be more right. The mindset should be changing your existing soil into great humus instead of clearing or covering and starting over. Woodchips, yard clippings and food scraps change everything for the better!

  • Reply Erik Pearson March 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    long story short, peat moss does very little for a garden. Its only there to retain water. I know a woman who has been using it for at least the last 10 years, her garden never looks any different from year to year. I do not use peat, its not plant food. Get a good compost, and till it into your soil.

  • Reply Maria R. March 28, 2016 at 4:23 am

    Can I use this to start a veggie garden? or will you point me to one of your videos that will explain it more?

  • Reply Maria R. March 28, 2016 at 4:28 am

    I also live in Utah so the soil is really hard! please tell me this will work!

  • Reply abelincolnparth April 10, 2016 at 7:40 am

    Here in the USA, our EPA in the 1970's approved the use of Arsenic salts in pressure treated lumber. So all across cities throughout the USA this lumber was used to build decks and even raised gardens. In my town, the city will give you all the mulched leaves it collects that you want, but they make you sign a legal release statement. If it was not for the heavy metal questions I would make compost out of that.

    So, as a compromise, I get S. peat moss and "compost" it by throwing in easily broken down materials, like sugar soft drinks that went flat, baked chicken dripping (no salt), and egg shells. The sugar (carbohydrates in general), are used for energy by Nitrogen fixing bacteria, so it is a way to increase Nitrogen in the soil without adding nitrogen fertilizer.

  • Reply B Saver April 26, 2016 at 9:50 am

    Wood chips are best.  Also use a vitamix for kitchen scraps and pour on soil for worms and microbes

  • Reply Ghost Rider April 28, 2016 at 3:13 am

    scarlett you are so smart about that kind of stuff.😁

  • Reply Joe Young May 15, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    for the most part I agree with what you said. there are farms however which have found a way to harvest the moss on top of the bogs and regrow it year after year without any further damage to the bogs. it is a heavily regulated practice for the safety of the bogs. I still prefer compost

  • Reply Anja H May 18, 2016 at 12:09 am

    Scarlett, the sound in your videos is very faint. I wish I could hear you better!

  • Reply Mat Tuk September 15, 2016 at 5:28 am

    LIKING YOUR VIDEOS =) i compost w. worms if you saw that link i posted on your worm vid…have several thousand they breed and i put some in the garden from time to time…and in fall i spread leaves all over the garden for a weed barrier and feed worms along w/ it turning to compost
    ….couldn't you get that trailer closer so you don't have to wheel barrow all that over to the garden…My garden is right in the middle of my back yard and i can drive all around it also has opening so i can back a truck into it when i till in some fresh manure…Peace from CALI

  • Reply Gold Hunter November 27, 2016 at 8:13 am

    Wrong. When you remove peat from a peat bog you make a better environment for animals. Water fowl need water. Frogs, fish etc etc need water. Peat accumulated over the years and destroys that environment. A dry peat bog grows grass and brush but not many animals. Remove the peat and you will see ducks and frogs move right in. Heron will come for the frogs.

  • Reply nery colon 1 January 8, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    Totally agree.. I make my own compost and buy rich moist dirt, but this time I wanted to add peat moss because they were cheap and I'm trying to fill a 40 ft cement raised bed. I'm going to mix compost, peat moss and miracle grow. I'm not sure if it is right. what do you think? great video.

  • Reply Sheeba Kitty February 25, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    coconut coir is much better. but you must feed your garden.

  • Reply djb0646 March 26, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    Our the big box store only sells one type of 'organic compost' in small bag, the unit price maybe triple or quadruple of peat moss, really hope they can sell normal compost with reasonable price. I guess they do that on purpose, if cheap compost is available on bulk then no one will buy their garden soil or amendment.

  • Reply Cute cute overloadxx April 17, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    Do blueberries need peat to grow? 🙂

  • Reply Carl Taylor May 14, 2017 at 5:56 am

    You are so right Scarlett. This is common sense, good economic sense and ecologically viable.

  • Reply livrelover June 3, 2017 at 10:05 am

    Where in Europe do you live, may I ask? I live in Belgium and I don't know of anywhere that I may find compost so inexpensively.

  • Reply Sharman Nobody June 5, 2017 at 10:53 am

    is it not strange that people now buy water and dirt.

  • Reply Vlad The Impaler Țepeș III July 8, 2017 at 12:29 am

    Just so you know, compost is not soil. Soil aggregate can only be made by the process of photosynthesis through a plant with a living root in the earth. Compost will eventually wither away into the atmosphere as nitrogen, which is why you have to keep replacing it in your garden. Compost is great stuff, but it isn't soil. It's bsically a soil amendment and fertilizer. Also, compost is not an alternative to peat moss nor is peat most an alternative to compost. I get you point about why not to use peat moss. but people who use peat moss can't just use compost as an alternative as it will not perform the same function.

  • Reply Emmit Stewart July 8, 2017 at 2:29 pm

    I live in a high rise and have no way to make or get compost But I also do not use peat for my plants.  I use coir.  Coir is a renewable resource.  It grows on trees.  Coir is the husks of coconuts…They chop it up, dry it and compress it into bricks.  When you use it, you remoisten it and it turns into a peat-like product.  If you've ever used peat, you know that dried out peat is water repellent.  You have to add nearly boiling water to get it moist again.  If a plant potted in a peat mix dries out, It is a very difficult thing to get it wet again.  Dried coir instantly soaks up water.  You can also buy coir in a coarse cut for orchids which drains instantly.  The chunks absorb water and hold it for quite a while, but there large spaces between them for air to circulate around the plant roots.

  • Reply Thomas Gronek July 26, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    Thank you for a wonderful and informative video. The following came from a web site called GARDEN RANT. I am only trying to transfer information, not take credit for it.. "Though gardeners seem to have been programmed to buy peat and are as loyal to the product as some car-buyers used to be about their beloved Pontiacs, there’s simply no need to use it. Chopped leaves make a much better and more attractive mulch, and compost is superior as a soil amendment." If any protocol has been breached by posting the previous sentences, please notify me, and I will remove this post. there is no need to report me, just let me know, and I will take it down.
    On a personal note, I have found that crushed up dried leaves retain moisture quite adequately, there is no need to pay for any exotic amendments. the perfect amendments and supplements are local. AND FREE !
    …. Good luck to all, and Happy Gardening !!!!

  • Reply The Nech May 6, 2018 at 2:45 am

    great video. Not sure how I just came across it now, I have watched lots of gardening videos, but I enjoyed the info and the presentation. Well said lady lol.

  • Reply mrhappy19 May 23, 2018 at 3:03 pm

    Wait.. you do watercolour videos as well right? Randomly found you painting videos about a year ago on the sidebar. Now that it's spring I'm looking for gardening videos and here you are found in the sidebar!

  • Reply cangjie12 June 14, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    The problem with peat is not that it’s not renewable, but that harvesting it releases carbon dioxide and methane, and that it damages the land and ecosystem.

  • Reply Rodney Jack September 29, 2018 at 11:04 pm

    Peat is renewable. It's moss and is farmed and is a viable industry. I compost everything I can but peat is an option. Please talk about what you know.

  • Reply Amy Sternheim October 9, 2018 at 5:59 pm

    Instead of lecturing or nagging the neighbors to compost, ask if you can collect their vegetable scraps, eggshells and used coffee grounds. When you start harvesting your vegetable garden give a few to those neighbors who gave you the food scraps as a thank you! They may want to start to compost for their own landscaping needs!

  • Reply HABIB REHMAN October 25, 2018 at 7:33 am

    tell me about the mixture of Coco peat in peat moss +compost. is this mixture is perfect for long time use as potting soil ??? you are looking so nice in Blue !!!! (with out flattering)

  • Reply Leaf life May 6, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    building centers?😂

  • Reply gaurav pal May 18, 2019 at 2:08 am

    got perfect body shape

  • Reply Sick Sick Bunny! June 16, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    I live Ireland. Lidl and Aldi both sell 40L bags of compost for 2 euros each! I bought 40 bags to cover my garden with compost to grow a new lawn and its doing great. I do have to use a builders sieve to shake it all over the garden and throw away the larger bits but hey. Ireland is the land of Peat moss! It is skimmed off the top of the land before cutting turf for heating. However, people are opting for renewable energies here in Ireland these days, and I think it follows that peat moss should also be conserved in favour of compost. Thanks for a really great and informative video.

  • Reply Ken Wilson September 8, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    Actually, peat moss is renewable. It renews constantly and naturally.

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